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U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES

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FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION

CENTER FOR BIOLOGICS EVALUATION AND RESEARCH

INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR BIOLOGICALS

NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND

INFECTIOUS DISEASES

NATIONAL VACCINE PROGRAM OFFICE

WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION

EVOLVING SCIENTIFIC AND REGULATORY PERSPECTIVES ON

CELL SUBSTRATES FOR VACCINE DEVELOPMENT

WORKSHOP

Friday, 10 September 1999

The workshop took place in the Plaza Ballroom, DoubleTree Hotel, 1750 Rockville Pike, Rockville, MD, 20852, at 8:00 a.m., Regina Rabinovich,  M.D. and Martin Myers, M.D., Session Chairs,presiding.

                                                                      

          PRESENT:

          Regina Rabinovich, M.D.       Session Chair
          Martin Myers, M.D.                 Session Chair
          David Onions, Ph.D.               Panel Chair
          John Coffin, Ph.D.                   Panel Chair
          Philip Minor, Ph.D.                 Speaker
          James Robertson, Ph.D.       Speaker
         Joerg Schuepbach, M.D.       Speaker
         Jens Mayer, Ph.D.                  Speaker
         Thomas Broker, Ph.D.           Speaker
         Neil Cashman, M.D.               Speaker
          John Sedivy, Ph.D.                Speaker
          Frits Fallaux, Ph.D.                Speaker
          Michael Fried, Ph.D.              Panelist
          Stephen Hughes, Ph.D.         Panelist
          Johannes Loewer, M.D.         Panelist
          Also Present:    Gary Nabel

                                                   I N D E X  P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S    8:04 A.M.

CHAIRPERSON RABINOVICH:  Good morning.  I would like to welcome you back to Session 6, Adventitious Viral Agents in Cell Substrates, and congratulate all those that were here until 10:00 last night for the latest part of the show, including Mr. Harris, who put in a grueling 18-hour day in yesterday, our visual aides person. I would like to introduce the first speaker, Dr. Phil Minor, from the National Institute of Biological Standards and Control, who will be giving us an introduction to adventitious agent issues, both reviewing the past and current experience with adventitious agent contamination of biologicals in vaccines.

DR. MINOR: Thanks. Thanks very much. Can I have the slide on, please, or do I just press it here? What I am going to do is to review firstly all of biologicals, if you like, from an adventitious agent point of view.  So it won't just be vaccines. In particular, I will be talking about the range of source materials that people have used in preparing biologicals. There will be a clear message that comes out of that, which is that the more you use well-characterized cells, the better. I will also be talking about the SV40 story in some detail, which has been gone through a number of times, but I will be going through it from a particularly regulatory point of view because again, there is a message there which says that if you get it wrong, you will still be working on it 40 years later. Finally, I will get onto the continuous cell line bit right to the very end. So there are a variety of source materials that you can use if you are preparing biologicals. They are sort of listed here, if you like. There are biological materials which are made from whole animals. That would include things like blood and blood products.  I will describe that in a moment. So you can just go to a whole animal and take something out and make your biological from that. You can use your whole animal as a substrate for growth.  I will discuss that in the context of things like influenza vaccines and the like. You can grow material on primary cells. This was the main starting point for things like polio vaccines in the early days, where the SV40 issue arose.  Finally, you can grow materials on well- characterized cell preparation. The further down the list you go on this thing, probably the happier you are from the adventitious agent point of view. This shows some examples of contaminants which have arisen when whole animals have been used as source materials or the origin of the source material. Most of these will be human rather than anything else, but really an awful lot of the serious adventitious agent problems that have arisen have arisen because of materials sourced from whole animals or using pooled preparation.

The first one on this list here is CJD,Creutzfeldt Jakob Disease, which was transmitted by growth hormone.  The growth hormone was produced from human cadaveric material. A very unpleasant disease. It's almost impossible to detect the agent other than by standing back and waiting for the incubation period to go. In France, there are still a large number of cases coming through as a result of this.  It may well be that around 10 percent are recipients of human-derived growth hormone, will actually wind up going down with CJD in France. Dura mater is another one.  That should be one T, not two Ts.  Again, this has been shown to transmit really quite readily when pooled materials are actually used.  Almost impossible to detect. Clear, very, very serious kind of consequence of it. Scrapie was first shown to be a transmissible agent by the use of a TBE vaccine, which was grown in the brains of sheep.  TBE being tick-borne encephalitis, which then transmitted scrapie to a large number of the sheep that were actually inoculated with it.  So again, this is a whole animal source material, if you like, that had quite serious consequences, especially if you were a sheep.


Over the last 15 or 20 years or so, one of the best examples of serious or disease-causing transmissions of infectious agents has been through human blood and blood-derived materials, clotting factors in particular.  In all of these things, the   entire alphabet soup of hepatitis viruses has been transmitted by blood product. In the early days at least, some of these were really regarded as really a hazard, if you like,of being a hemophiliac.  So, for example, hepatitis C,in the days when there was a non-A, non-B hepatitis,it was really regarded as an inevitable consequence of   using factor 8 to treat hemophilia.  I am not sure that that is an acceptable way of actually doing things any more.  I am sure that hemophiliacs would agree with that.  B-19, paravirus B-19 is still transmitted by clotting factors. Finally, this one down at the bottom here is a classic example of a transmission by a vaccine, if you like, where hepatitis B was transmitted by yellow fever vaccine back in the 1940s.  The hepatitis B actually came from the stabilizers of the albumin that was actually put in there to keep it stable.

There is a story that Fred McCallum, who is head of the Public Health Service in the United Kingdom tells to the effect that he basically won the war because he prevented Winston Churchill having a yellow fever vaccine when he was going off to talk with Stalin around 1944. So most of the serious consequences really come from whole animal source materials, if you like. You can use whole animals as substrates.  I'm using the term "whole animals" in a fairly broad sense. Eggs in the definition of the Animal Regulated Use Act in the United Kingdom count as an animal because they are embryonated. For many years, rabies vaccines were produced in mouse brain or sheep brain. They have quite serious consequences, but not necessarily associated with adventitial agents. You can get encephalitis as a result of immune responses to the  non-invasic protein. The Japanese encephalitis vaccine, which is used for travelers in the United Kingdom, is still made in mouse brain. So it's not an unusual source of material, if you like. Smallpox for a long time was made on the scarified flanks of calves.  Like I said, isn't any more. However, while these things seem really quite primitive, in terms of how you make vaccines nowadays, you still have a number of vaccines that are made in eggs. Yellow fever is the classic example, and influenza. Yellow fever is not required to be grown in avian leukosis-free eggs. The reason for that is that there are a number of sites at which it was manufactured throughout the world, where yellow fever is a really very serious problem, such as Nigeria, for example, South America, whatever, where SPF eggs,avian leukosis-free eggs even, were really not freely available.  So yellow fever can in principle at least be made in avian leukosis containing eggs, and in fact is.  I think there's no evidence that this has an adverse consequence.  But on the other hand, you wouldn't necessarily want to have a virus in there that you didn't know about.

Influenza is an actuated vaccine.  Again, it's not made on SPF eggs, that is, specified pathogen-free eggs.  They are avian leukosis free, but they are not free of all the other variety of pathogens that you would choose to screen for measles vaccine production system, for example. So even today then you have to bear in mind that a large amount of vaccine that's made is made on really quite crude materials, from an adventitious agent point of view.  It's not a trivial usage.  In fact, when you go through and consider what vaccines are actually made on these days, they are    quite primitive, if you like, in some respects. Primary cultures as been described previously around here, are really cultures that are made directly from the animal.  So they are not one pass.  They are directly from the animal, if you like. Here are a number of examples where agents are actually being found or at least located in these kind of cultures.

SV40 is one that I'm going to talk about in some detail in a minute.  This was in polio vaccines in the 1950s and very early 1960s, probably, a source from rhesus monkey kidney.  Polio vaccines are still made on monkey kidney, though they are not  usually on rhesus monkey kidney.  It would be cynomologous or something like that, for reasons which I'll describe in a moment. Nonetheless, a great deal of vaccine is still made in primary monkey kidney cells.  There are reasons for that.  There's a deep conservatism I think about changing the vaccine production process if you have a vaccine that works, largely because you are dealing with a prophylactic material rather than a therapeutic material.  So you don't want to mess about with anything if it's reasonably safe and effective. I'll mention very briefly the defective retrovirus story in chick embryos.  I think Jim Robertson will probably mention this in more detail, but I will mention that just as I go by.  Finally recently, the FDA released a talk paper on a preparation of urokinase, which is used in treating the heart.  This material was grown from primary cultures made from aborted fetuses.  I think it was aborted fetuses or miscarriages, or whatever.  There were quite a variety of infectious agents were actually found in this. I believe this one has now been suspended. The point is that there are still a large number of materials which are made on really quite basic culture systems, if you like, where adventitious  agents are a serious consideration, if you like.  So it's not all continuous cell lines versus the rest. I mean there are -- most of the vaccines that are made in the world probably come from other primary cultures or eggs or things of that nature.

 I will now talk about SV40.  I'm sure in this audience there are people who know far more about SV40 than I do.  But nonetheless, I'll talk about this from what you might call the regulatory adventitious agent point of view, if you like.  So it's a very common polyoma virus of old world monkeys, and particularly rhesus macaques.  The difficulty with this was that when the rhesus macaque monkeys are sacrificed and a primary monkey kidney culture is made from him or her, as the case may be,a silent infection is set up.  So there is on evidence of infection just by looking at the cultures.  In fact, these cultures can throw out as much SV40 as they do polio, when you start infecting it with polio.  So you wind up with a culture that's just stiff with adventitious agent which you really don't want. It's able to transform non simian cells in vitro, and it can be tumorigenic if you have the right kind of animal that you put it into.  Between 55 and 62, probably at least a third of all the vaccines that were made on these kind of cultures, because they were pooled and the like, were almost certainly contaminated with SV40.  It wasn't a trivial contamination.  It was really quite a serious contamination. Because it was mainly an activated polio vaccine, there wouldn't have been that much live SV40 in it perhaps.  But SV40 is more resistant to formalin than polio is.  So almost everybody who received the shot of inactivated polio in the 1950s, which would include me, would have received live SV40 in some form or another.

 So the concern is really summarized here, which is basically that everybody, I mean this is my own take on it, that everybody -- I mean you can argue that it might not have been sort of everybody, but I think it probably was.  But almost everybody who received the full course of polio vaccine between 1955 and 1965, also got live SV40 stuck into them.  That's millions of people basically. There were epidemiological studies that were done at the time which really didn't cause much concern, but they can all be criticized.  Some of the studies were really quite short-term, about two or three years or so, looking to see if there were cancer effects basically, as a result of SV40.  It may be that two or three years is not enough to actually find such an effect, if it actually exists. The longest which was assumed was over a   period of about 19 years.  Most of the individuals involved in that study would have been oral polio vaccine recipients rather than inactivated polio vaccine recipients.  So they have had it by mouth rather than by injection.  Again, you could argue that that might not be the right cohort to actually be looking at. So while the studies were reassuring, the most reassuring thing was that there was no sudden surge of cancers that you can actually trace back to polio vaccine usage in the United States or in Europe where these things were used in a big way.  So it really did seem that in the long term, over about 19 to 20 years, there was no real cause for alarm.

 However, in 1992, Michaili Carboni and colleagues and others, a number of others, including Janet Butelle down in Texas and the like, identified SV40 sequences which were present in a variety of relatively rare tumors.  So mysathelia, which is the asbestos tumor, osteosarcomas, pendymonas, actually the young chorioid plexus tumors of children, these sequences do appear to be genuine SV40 sequences. Where they come from is really not quite clear.  Part of the argument was that you could get similar types of tumors in experimental animals, like hamsters.  I think that is probably the only example where a hamster is cited as a good model for a human being perhaps.  But who knows?  In fact, this might actually be an argument that this has got nothing to do with it. So the question then arises as to where did the SV40 sequences come from.  Of course the classic response really would have been it must have come from the polio vaccine because why not? Now SV40 was discovered around 1961 or 1962 or thereabouts, 1960 perhaps.  Directly it was discouraged.  There were precautions put in place to exclude it from polio vaccines, because it was known to be a tumor kind of virus, if you like.  These were the kind of things that were put in place.  They are listed in WHO requirements from about 1962 onwards. They reached their final fully flowered form, if you like, by about 1965.  A number of countries certainly had put this in place before that. The first thing you can do is to use seronegative animals as the source of cells.  So you can use animals that have no evidence of SV40 infection as your source.  That really is something which is now very firmly in place, which manufacturers now do. The second thing is, you remember I said that it was the rhesus macaques with the problems. The problem was that the cell cultures didn't show any sign of having defect, when they were actually infected with SV40.  What you can do then is you can use species, such as cynomolgus or pattus monkeys, where the primary monkey kidney culture cell, when infected with SV40, will actually wrinkle up and die on you.  So at least you know you have got something nasty and you can throw it away.

Finally, you can test your control of production cultures for SV40 by the same kind of procedure.  That is why using sesetral cells to see if anything comes through. Around the period that this was taking place, wild caught monkeys were being used extensively in vaccine production.

Up to a half of the cultures would have been thrown away because of adventitious agent contamination, mainly foamy virus, but certainly other things as well.
  I think that just illustrates the kind of lack of control, if you like, over the source materials that was going on, and the extent to which adventitious agents are really a serious problem in finding monkey kidney cultures or primary cultures in general. An alternative way of doing this is to actually use a validated cell bank.  Certainly many manufacturers use MRC5, and Mary of course used vira cells, as we heard last night. Nonetheless, a significant, if indeed not a large proportion of the world's supply of polio vaccine is still made on primary monkey kidney cells,which should really fit this kind of criteria for excluding SV40. One of the questions that then arises is were these precautions good enough?  What we did at NIBSC, because we happened to have about 150-odd batches of vaccine archived from the years, was to go back and look at them by PCR. PCR of course is the cat's pajamas. It's really the best technique that anybody ever invented in terms of sensitivity.  It's probably about as good as infectivity, at least in our hands anyway. But nonetheless, we went back and we looked by PCR at 133 preparations of polio vaccine which had been used in the United Kingdom between 1966 and about 1997.  What we had done was looked at all batches of vaccine which had been used since 1980, and all of those were free of SV40 sequences.  So that gives you some reassurance that these precautions were actually appropriate. In fact, the only preparation which had any SV40 sequence in it at all was a seed virus which was used by a manufacturer for making vaccine from. The amount that was in there was around two logs worth of genome as opposed to seven logs of genomes in a really full-fledged infected preparation.  So there wasn't that much in there.  The manufacturer had also treated this stuff with toluidine blue, which is supposed to kill of SV40.  This was done on the advice of Albert Sabin back in 1960-something or other.  But nonetheless, it does seem to me that it's rather a foolish thing to have a seed that's got SV40 sequences in it at all. I think the WHO requirements have now been changed so the seed has to be checked to see if it does have SV40 sequences in it or not. This particular seed was not infectious SV40. We did some quite serious studies on it, like transvecting the DNA into cells to see if it would work, infecting monkeys with it to see if we could actually get seroconversion. There was no seroconversion. So there was no infectious virus   there that we could actually detect.  But nonetheless, the seed did have material in it. If on the other hand you look at materials from around the 1960s or from other parts of the world a little bit later than that, you can pick up SV40 sequences quite easily.  So the method would have picked it up had it been there. So our conclusion from that was then that really as soon as these kind of precautions were put in place, no SV40 would have been present in all polio vaccines used, at least in the United Kingdom and I would guess in the United States as well, because it's after the same kind of precautions were put in place. So the precautions were adequate.  Which means that SV40 exposure of the population through polio vaccines would have stopped around 1962.

 So what you then have is the problem of the chorioid plexus and appendinoma tumors, which occur in children who are around two years of age or maybe less.  You have to say well how did they get a hold of the SV40 sequences?  One possibility, which is mooted with some enthusiasm, is that maybe you are getting passage of SV40 from parents who did receive the SV40 contaminated polio vaccine to their children.  So how this stuff gets around is quite important. One of the things that we have been involved in is doing serological surveys of populations to see who has got SV40 antibodies and who hasn't.  It is about a five percent seropositivity by the assay that we're using at least.  It seems to peak at around age 10 or thereabouts, and doesn't arise after that.  So what you could argue then is that you are seeing vertical transmission from parents down to their children.  What you could also argue is that you are not picking up SV40 specific antibodies at all, and they could be other human polyomas like the BK or the JC, and it's cross-reacting antibodies that we're picking up.  I think that is still a thing that needs to be resolved.  This is how we were trying to resolve it. We have access to a number of sinomorgous breeding colonies.  One of them at least is absolutely riddled with SV40.  It's chronically infected.  They are all infected basically. So this is just four examples of this particular colony. There's about another 50 or so. This happens all the time.  The mothers here are highly sera positive to SV40, all of them.  What happens is that the mother and the baby stay together for about six months until the baby is weaned. Then the babies are taken off, no longer being babies of course.  They are all banged up together in one gigantic sort of teenage squabbling colony. At the time of weaning, the babies are uniformly negative.  So despite the fact they have been on the mother for six months, they have not sera converted to SV40.  Almost immediately you bang them up together, or at least within about a month or so,they sera convert.  So we actually have a sera conversion panel here, if you like, with about 50 or 18 100 or so sera, where the babies actually were seronegative and then become seropositive.

 My view on this is probably that the babies don't get infected until you bang them up together.  But it may be that they are infected, but they are just not seropositive. So what we have to do here is to fish out the virus from these animals here, and see if it looks like the mother's virus or if it looks like the other babies' virus. The point about this long story which I have just been telling you about SV40 is that SV40 was a problem between 1955 and 1962, and it's now 1999, and we still don't really know what was going on.  So if you actually make a mistake, it's really quite serious.  It may keep you occupied for the rest of your working life. One last quick thing or two last slides here.  One is about reverse transcriptase of vaccines. Dr. Schuepbach will be talking later and Jim Robertson will be talking in a moment about detection of reverse transcriptase in chicken cell grown vaccines, such as flu or yellow fever or measles, mumps, rubella. This appears to be due to the presence of defective non-infectious particles.  There are sequences from EAV and ALV both in these things, a ratio of about nine to one as I understand it.  It does seem to me that you are not really quite sure what the AV sequence is in there and what ALV sequence is in there.  It's probably going to vary from chicken to chicken in so far as these chickens have not been bred.  In other words, every egg is a new experiment. You are really not quite sure what you are dealing with in that. I think that is quite an unfortunate position to be in. I'm not sure how you control it. Finally, this is my last slide, and this has to do with characterized cells.  The issues that I have been dealing with really have been to do with primary cells and primary cell problems where the virus comes in direct from the animal origin.  I think there is no doubt in my mind that that's the main source of concern in terms of human health. Nonetheless, there are clearly problems which also arise with characterized cells and the continuous cell lines, in particular.  We have some down here. Now the regulatory authorities in the room will be well aware of a large number of other examples of this type which don't actually get published.  I think that's not so good.  I think this stuff really should be out there in the public literature. But nonetheless, these are the ones which are well known, I think. CHO viruses, CHO cells have defective retroviruses. Manufacturers take a great deal of care to actually get rid of them in the final product. So they are endogenous. Here are examples of things like BVDV contaminating cells which are growing in culture, and also other bovine viruses contaminating cells in culture, particularly when they are grown on a very large scale.  Whether or not that poses a hazard is another matter, but clearly there must be methods in place to actually detect them. The classic example here was the minute virus in mice, where the tpa had been grown in CHO cells on a 10,000 litre stove essentially, and then tiled up for an effect with minute virus of mice.  Now this was on the order of eight logs, as I understand it, of virus per mil, and yet a 10,000 litre fermenter culture.  This is probably more minute virus of mice in one place on the planet than has ever been the case   before.  You might want to think how you actually get rid of it actually. This is a question of actually getting the cells infected while they are actually burning in culture. So while family cells are clearly a major problem, and while whole animal sources, if you like, are probably the biggest hazard which is likely to be raised in terms of human health, biological aspects to do with well characterized cell banks, where viruses may be introduced from biological materials or they may be introduced by mice walking across the top of the fermenter or whatever, are nonetheless a significant matter.  It really is not totally clear whether these things have an implication for human health.  But I think you would be wise to make sure that they are not actually present. That's where I stop.  Thank you.

                     (Applause.)
CHAIRPERSON RABINOVICH:  Please identify yourself.

 DR. COFFIN:  John Coffin of Tufts.  That was a really nice summary actually, Phil.  But some caution might be called for in translating the results of vertical transmission experiments from monkeys to humans. As far as we know, simian immunodeficiency virus in monkey populations are not transmitted vertically.  Yet HIV-1 is transmitted with reasonable efficiency vertically in human populations. So there may be some underlying biological difference that perhaps a very subtle one, that promotes this kind of transmission in people, where you wouldn't see it necessarily in monkey models.

DR. MINOR:  Yes.  I take you point.  We are doing the studies for two reasons.  Firstly, to look at natural transmission to monkey on the grounds that it might be a model, although I take your point entirely.  But also to supply serum conversion panels so that we can try and sort out specificity of immunological reactions as well.  I take your point entirely.

DR. ONIONS:  David Onions, Glasgow. Phil, when people switched to cynomologous  monkeys, and I can see the reason because you can pick up SV40.  That's very clear.  But how do you know that at the same time, you have not invented a new problem, that you have got another polyoma virus in that species that you are not detecting.  I mean has anyone done redundant PCR to look?

 DR. MINOR:  I think I would choose to look at a polyoma man to answer that question.  Anybody?

 DR. MAJOR:  Gene Major, Bethesda.  In the monkeys that we have used for the human polyoma virus studies, we have screened all those animals for the conventional SV40, but not have addressed the question of whether or not there's other additional polyoma type viruses that are present there. Clearly by this time, PCR technology has advanced to the point that perhaps if something were there whose sequences were somewhat similar to the ones that are currently expressed in these animals, we may have picked it up, but we certainly haven't found anything yet.

DR. LEWIS:  Phil, I take it that seroconversion is by neutralizing antibody?
         
DR. MINOR:  Sorry?  Say that again.


DR. LEWIS:  I take that seroconversion is by neutralization?

DR. MINOR:  That's right.  Yes.

DR. LEWIS:  Have you had any chance to look at monkey breast milk to see how long they may be treating antibodian, so that the newborns can be passive immune?
       
DR. MINOR:  Right.  The answer is no.  We have discussed, for example, getting the urine out of these monkeys after they are banged up together. I am told that actually chasing them around the floor is insuperable. I'm not sure you can actually pry a baby monkey from her mother long enough to actually milk her.  It's a worthwhile question.  I think we'll have another go and see if we can do something about it. There may be some resistance, however.

DR. BROKER:  Tom Broker, UAB. I wanted to follow up on that exact question.  We are facing the same problem with potential vertical transmission of human papilloma viruses. I'll mention it later in my own presentation, but briefly, it does appear there is some protective immunity during nursing.  On the other hand, removal of an infant, say through adoption to another family, is the highest risk factor for a child acquiring laryngeal papillomatosis later in life. So a two to three year delay.

 DR. MINOR:  So is the assumption then that the infant is infected, but it's not infected properly then?

DR. BROKER:  It's infected vertically, presumably perinatally, perhaps just before or during delivery, but receive sufficient passive immunity by nursing that gives it life long protection. So what I would propose as a potential experiment is to literally take the, if possible, take the baby monkey immediately away from the mother, and don't allow it to nurse, and then just have different lengths of time of nursing to see if this onset of seroconversion is affected by a timing mechanism. Alternatively, don't ever let that baby monkey be housed with other baby monkeys in the daycare center, and keep it with the mother even if it's not nursing,and see if it fails to seroconvert. So the question is, is it getting infected from its playmates.

DR. MINOR:  That's right.

DR. BROKER:  Or is it receiving a period of important passive protection from the mom.

DR. MINOR:  I figured we could do that by looking at the actual strain of viruses the monkeys get infected with.  We have a number of different gang rooms, if you like.  If you get a different strain in each gang room, but it's the same strain within a gang room, then I think that will answer the same question. You can also go back to the mother and see what kind of strain she's got too.  But it's a valid point.

AUDIENCE MEMBER:I would like to reemphasize one of the important points that you made. I know you didn't have time to expand on it, but I think it is extremely important.  That is the need for those organizations who discover a new virus or some contaminant, cell population used for vaccine production or in a production run, to make that publicly known.

I think that the declaration by Genentech,who has published this information under their name, that an NBM contamination occurred in a 10,000 fermenter is an act of great courage.  I think that, that kind of courage, this declaration by other companies in this field, is very necessary for the health of this industry. I understand from some of the remarks that have been made that there are others that are known to a small coterie of people here that have not been publicly declared. I urge all of you to think about this seriously because it can and will have a great impact on this industry.  Thank you.

DR. MINOR:  I agree totally with that.  It does seem to me that sooner or later the information will leak out.  I think the industry looks very bad.

DR. VAN DER EB:  Van der Eb, Leiden.  Did I understand it correctly that ferrisfaruses were found in human embryo material that was used for urokinase production?

DR. MINOR:  I think the FDA can answer this one better than me, yes.  But I mean that was my understanding of it.  It's out on the net.

DR. VAN DER EB:  But where does it come from?

AUDIENCE MEMBER:  I think it's a rea virus.

DR. MINOR:  It's various rea viruses, plus others.

DR. VAN DER EB:  I see.  Okay. 

DR. FRIED:  Mike Fried.  Was any of the old vaccines from the 1960s that were contaminated, were they PCR'd up to show that the virus was the same as being found today?  Because it's also possible that we all have a latent SV40 type virus which likes to grow in tumor cells, and that's why you find it.  It's a passenger.  But I mean since there's polymorphisms in the sequence, if you can go back to the 1960s and then find out if it's the same thing that we find today, it would be helpful.

DR. MINOR:  We looked at, when you say the 1960s, I have to emphasize this is very early 60s. Certainly the things that we have got which came out positive weren't used in the UK, or they might have been used somewhere else. We had a Russian SV40 and we had an American SV40, and we had an SV40 of unknown origin all from the 1960s, and they were all different basically.  They were different from the 7-7-7, you know, the cos kind of sequence as well.  So they were all unique basically, in terms of the region we were looking at, which was C terminus of t antigen.

CHAIRPERSON RABINOVICH:  Last question please.

 MS. MARCUS:  Carole Marcus Sequora from Bassey Consulting. I just wanted to clarify that urokinase is produced from cells. It's not aborted fetuses. It's newborns who did not survive. Just for the record.

DR. MINOR:  Thank you.

MS. MARCUS:  It was rea virus.

DR. MINOR:  I'm sorry about that.

CHAIRPERSON RABINOVICH: Thank you.  Our next speaker is Dr. Jim Robertson, speaking on experiences with retroviruses in avian and mammalian cell substrates.

DR. ROBERTSON:  Good morning.  For those of you who don't know, NIBSC is CBER's cousin from across the pond in the U.K.  What I am going to do is pick up where Phil left off and concentrate on the retrovirus aspect of viral contamination. Initially I will look at say biologicals in general, but ultimately focusing down on the vaccine issues.  So I will begin with some direct information regarding retrovirus situations with biologicals.  I will go onto look at how some of the regulatory guidelines deal with the issue of retroviruses.  I will go into look at RTase testing, which is a reasonably current them just now, and finish up looking at the recent situation of the finding of retroviral-like particles in avian cells. So to begin with, here is a short list of the incidence of retrovirus contamination found in biologicals in general, not just vaccines. I have sub-divided these into two groups here.  You see this upper half here, this is where we have in the past had overt adventitious contamination by a retrovirus of a biological. For instance, being mentioned earlier, ALV, that causes virus in yellow fever vaccine by virtue of producing the vaccine in embryonated eggs infected with the virus.  The other one that was mentioned earlier by Phil, HIV and blood products. The bottom half here is a quite, somewhat separate type of contamination.  In fact, you might find it equaler to call it contamination or not. Certainly these are not adventitious situations. These are situations in which an endogenous retroviral-like particle is present in the manufacturing process.In the first instance here, it's established that murine hybridomas used in the manufacture of monoclonal antibodies produced, secretes C type particles.  These have been tested in a variety of other mammalian, including human cell lines, and generally are not infectious. The titre can be very high for these types of particles.  You can get 10 to the sixth particles per mil. I've even seen 11 particles per mil in oneinstance.  So you can have a very high burden of direct viral particles. It is also well established that CHO cells, which are used for producing biopharmaceuticals, secretes C type particles. You also get intertestinal type particles from these cells.  These are probably much more characterized, a bit more work has gone into describing the particles from CHO cells, sequence information from the endogenous elements within the CHO genome, which is producing these particles, give some ideas as to why they are defective.  The reading frames are incomplete. There are stop signals.  So you don't get a proper infectious virus from these endogenous elements. The latter type is the only type here that's dealing with vaccines, even dry vaccines produce either an ovo or cef cells.  I'll come back to that in a few minutes.From a regulation point of view, how do we deal with virus contamination and retrovirus contamination? There are a couple of guidelines I would like to bring to your attention. The first one here is an ICH guideline, which looks at viral safety evaluation.  Admittedly it is only for biotech products. The scope of the guideline does comment that this is not, this guideline is not applicable to vaccines. But I think it is worth looking at what it says about virus contamination. Within the document, it describes five different cases of potential contamination, starting from the most desirable case, where you don't have a virus present in the process in any way, down to the worst scenario where you know you've got a virus, but you haven't a clue what it is. The guideline goes on to state what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in the manufacturing process.  The only two cases which are generally acceptable of the first two cases, Case A,where you have got no virus, and Case B, where you have got a non-pathogenic retrovirus.  The other cases are only exceptional. Generally you don't want one at all.  The manufacturing is not allowed when you have got a virus contamination. So for Case B, really what you have here is a murine retrovirus is probably the only contaminant acceptable in the bulk harvest.  If you remember this guideline is applicable only to recombinant products and not to vaccines in general, and these recombinant products are highly purified.

The other guideline is the WHO requirements which came out recently for use of animal cells as in vitro substrates. That does includevaccine production. When it comes to testing for retroviruses, this guideline has several -- many other guidelines in the past have indicated, the types of assays being used for retroviruses, specific infectivity assays, electron microscopy and transcriptase assays, are the three general approaches for checking for retrovirus contamination. There may be the use of specific antigen detection as is in some particular cases, but these are the generally recognized methods of going about picking up retros. If I can concentrate now on the RTase assays.  The traditional type of assay involves incorporating a nucleotide precursor, a labeled precursor of some kind into an assay using a rather synthetic type of template. Then more recently of course we have the PERTs, PB RT, AMP RT type of assays, which includes a PCR amplification step, with the result that these type of assays are incredibly more sensitive than the more, as I can call it, traditional type of assay, and what is often quoted as up to a million fold times more sensitive by virtue of incorporating a polymerase chain reaction. Now using this type of assay, the cat was set among the pigeons.  When this paper came out, I might even say that the fox was set amongst the chicken coop.  Detection of reverse transcripted activity in live attenuated virus vaccines.  This quite naturally caused a bit of concern as to what was going on here.  The vaccines indicated, the one common feature was that ovine produced in eggs of some kind, measles vaccine out of CEF primed cultures, similarly mumps.  Yellow fever and influenza in ovo.  But not measles vaccine out of human diploid cells or rubella vaccine out of human diploid cells.  So the common link here seemed to be the CEF, the chicken source used in the production of the vaccine. We joined in the boat here and started looking at this issue.  Every type of hen fluid that we have looked at, CF fluids or an type fluid from a variety of different strains of hen have all been positive in the assay for reverse transcriptase.  Summarily, quail, jungle fowl, and pheasants are positive.

 The types of sources of fluids which have been negative for reverse transcriptase are listed here.  Some species are not positive, turkey and duck cultures, quite a range of human cell lines.  Simian rabbits have been tested and found to be negative.  So the clear source of this RTase that was being picked up in the vaccines is quite clearly of chicken aviano origin. 

We would want to look at -- I should add that this RTase was known at the time to be particles associated and appears in the supernate of the cells. We are going to look at this particle to see if it would pick up any infectivity.  In all, we looked at 10 different cell lines, mainly human, but including rabbits and turkey.  Over 21 tests and 116 passages. In each case, in every test and at every passage level, the cultures were negative for reverse transcriptase activity. There's absolutely no indication that this particle is infectious. Since then, CBER and CDC have also come up with similar data, including use of PBMCs.  No infectivity associated with these RTase containing particles. Where might these be coming from? Presumably they are derived from endogenous retroviral-like elements in the chicken. The information to date regarding such elements in the chicken genome are quite well characterized EV loci, which are related to the avian chosis virus family, and more recently discovered about 10 years ago, EAV-0 family, which is an older element than EV, and then older still, ART-CH and CH-1 elements. The information at the time and pretty  much where it still exists is that we knew that there's a line of chickens which was negative for EV.  It had been eliminated from the genome.  This line of chickens, the culture fluids were positive for RTase. So we knew that it had to be at least one of these elements producing RT activity.  At the same time, you couldn't eliminate the fact that EV might also be producing RT activity. The best bet was EAV-0, given  the sequence information that was present at the time. More recently, in the last year or two, Joerg Schuepbach's laboratory has produced a good evidence for the presence of EAV-0 derived RNA associated with the RT particles secreted from CEF cells, and then this year, Walid Heneine, CDC, also produced the presence of EAV and ALV RNA.

 
When I say ALV, I mean derived from the EV loci and not exogenous ALV contaminating RNA. So what can happen here retrovirus-like particles, defective particles being produced from endogenous elements both from EV and EAV-0 family of endogenous elements.  The presence of the RNA and relsconstrictase in a particulate fraction leads one to come to the conclusion that we have retroviral like particles in the CF fluids of the chick cells, which is present in the vaccines measles and mumps. The absence of infectivity in the current genetic information, sequence information that we have on EV loci and the EAV-0 family of endogenous elements strongly indicates that these particles are defective viral particles. The only question mark that remains from the regulation point of view, but also scientific point of view, the possibility of pseudotype formation during vaccine manufacture. The current evidence suggests the particles that are defective in the envelope-like protein and so there's a particulate of pseudotype formation with the glycoprotein of vaccine viruses being grown in the CF cells. So to summarize a couple of these issues then, from the practical point of view, testing for reverse transcriptase as an indicator of retroviral contamination, these assays are evolving, changing all the time.  One has to take into consideration the strength of the assay and the validity of the assay. There may be different requirements within an assay for different sources of RT.  It may be necessary touse some other sort of method to asses the significance of any RT detected because we know that RT activity can derive from other enzymes.  Telomerase is or DNA polymerase, cellular DNA polymerase is. These features are not specific to the more recent sensitive type of assays involving PCR, the parents, and the PBRT.  These features were also factors that had to be considered in the more traditional types of assays. It is often quoted that the RT levels in chick cells is very low, given that it was detected by a very, very sensitive assay, and has not been detected by the more traditional type of assays.  Certainly some preliminary data that I have got suggests that it is not quite as low as we first thought.  Really this RT activity in chick cells and ultimately in vaccines is only just below the level of detection of the more traditional type of assay.  In fact, this was a relatively novel phenomenon discovered just a few years ago.  It was in fact first reported 20 years ago in the late 1970s by Berne and    Hofschneider at the Max Planck Institute in Munich. They reported the presence of a novel type of RT enzyme in chick embryos and in chick cells.  That was in the days before PCR. So the level -- I certainly believe the level of RT and the level of these particles is actually quite high in chick cell fluid.  ultimately I think what we have to do is look into the need for standards, standard materials in some way to assess on a quantitative basis the level of RT activity in chick cells, in measles vaccine, in mumps vaccine, in order to come up with some meaningful conclusions regarding it. So to look at the RT issues from a regulatory point of view, a couple of comments I would make.  First, that these are state of the art technologies.  When these highly sensitive assays first came about, it posed very useful from a research point of view to what use are they in a routine manufacturing validated type of assay. I think the time has come where yes, you would say that these are state-of-the-art techniques and can be and should be used for detecting the presence of RT in your manufacturing process. However, when it comes to, for example, chick cells, and until we have a greater understanding of what the levels might mean, and until standards are available, there is really -- it is difficult to justify any  requirements to perform RT or PBRT assays on systems, and basically here I am talking about chicks, which inevitably will be positive.  We know they are going to be positive, that there's no great need to actually require any manufacturer to do these assays.  But certainly there is a still a strong requirement to provide evidence for freedom from retrovirus contamination.  This will have to derive from other data.  Thank you. (Applause.)

 CHAIRPERSON RABINOVICH:Thank you, Dr.Robertson. Any questions?

AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Just a comment.  For known endogenous avian retroviruses or exogenous avian retroviruses, of the cell lines, of the cells that you tested for infectivity, only the turkey cells would have given a positive result.  I would urge for avian-derived -- urge the use of those cells, and a PERT assay is a sensitive readout, for detection of perhaps unknown agents in these vaccines, end products, as being the most sensitive, at least for avian-derived.

DR. ROBERTSON:  Yes, yes.  The turkey cells are sensitive for rav, because it's virus, but apparently not for the RTase.  I have no idea, duck cells are also negative, but I have no idea if duck cells are susceptible to the –


AUDIENCE MEMBER:  They are not as good as turkeys.  Turkeys themselves actually are not sensitive to all exogenous ALVs, but to most they are, and all endogenous ones.

DR. ONIONS:  David Onions.  I really enjoyed that, Jim.  I just want to make a comment on your comment about standards.  I think as we heard from Keith last night and what we're doing, and I'm sure George is doing too, using the tac man technology where you can actually quantitate the PCR product. Then if you actually do EN counts of virus particles, dilute these out, you can actually quantitate your assay system and actually determine the number of particles you can detect.  Now it seems to me that that is a useful kind of standardization, and that you can then relate that to if you like, a consistency of your starting material, in this case the egg.  So I think in that case, applying those techniques does have value, because it gives you a kind of lock-to-lock consistency of your materials.  So that if something goes out of spec, then perhaps something odd is going on in those materials.


DR. ROBERTSON:  Whatever we want to approach this standardization, one would have to do it on a quantitative basis.  I was sensitive earlier to quote any actual figures, but to quote you some figures that I have got so far, in one chick cell preparation, the culture fluid, there was the equivalent of the order, and this the first of investigation, 10 to the 4 focus forming units of rav in uninfected chick cell fluid. A large current high level is when your typical infection goes up to 10 to the 6th, I believe, focus forming units.  You are only talking about 104 drop, lower value.  So you are not far away.  It is going to be difficult.  If you have got an overt contamination going up to 10 to the 6th, I think that will be quite clear on a quantitative basis.  But once you drop down a bit, it is difficult to say whether you have got an infection or whether it's just background level of endogenous RT-derived activity that you are picking up.

 DR. MYERS:  Martin Myers from National Vaccine Program.  As I sit and count the number of immunizations that various populations receive with these particles in it, repeated immunizations with it, I wonder if there is any data on sero responsiveness in longitudinal –


DR. ROBERTSON:  Well the reason I am looking over your shoulder, we have Walid Heneine from CDC.  I'm not sure if you are going to say something along those lines, but serologically, there is no real evidence for reaction to ALVs.  Epidemiologically, when it first came out, we also, not ourselves but epidemiological colleagues, to provide information.  There is no evidence again, for any increase in the incidence of childhood cancers since the onset of measles, mumps vaccination.  Walid, were you going to say something?


DR. HENEINE:  Yes, I have.  Regarding transmission risks, so far the data we have where we have looked at the presence of antibodies to avian leukosis virus by western lot, I'd say we developed as well as presence of ALV sequences and EAV sequences in  the peripheral blood lymphocyte from vaccinated kids as well as in plasma.  So far, the results have been all negative for both viruses. I have just one comment regarding referring to these viruses in general as defective. My comment is that the evidence we have so far on those we have studied in a couple of vaccines between in Europe and in the U.S. suggests that those, for example, ALVs we're dealing with could be defective because they come from loci that have deletions. However, this may not be true for all the contaminants from it we might find in other vaccines, because these contaminants reflect the particles expressed from these loci in the different cell substrates that Phil mentioned in his talk, that the nature of these particles and their phenotypes would vary depending on the presence of the particular loci in these substrates. So just a comment, not to generalize that we always should expect to have defective particles. We might or we might not in certain cases.

 DR.ROBERTSON:Yes.

DR. SCHUEPBACH:  Joerg Schuepbach from Zurich.  I would also like to make a comment regarding seroconversion.  We have done two vaccination studies, one with yellow fever vaccines, where about individuals were tested actually for reactive antibodies against HIV.  The reason for this was that in 1991, there have been reports that false positive HIV reactions were found in people that have been vaccinated against influenza.  Influenza vaccine is one of the vaccines which contains the EAV. So we found that statistically highly significant the vaccinees which have received the vaccine which have the higher content, about 80 times higher than the other vaccine which we used to use too. That these patients actually had highly significantly elevated antibodies to HIV 1 and 2, although none of these actually became sero positive. The serious bonds was highest in those individuals that also had a history of measles vaccine. In the second study, this was an influenza vaccine where we tested two different brands, a split vaccine and a rather crude vaccine.  We also had a response to HIV bond two in the third generation tests in the vaccine which contained more in the crude vaccine, which contained more of the EAV protein, and again those individuals who had a history of yellow fever vaccination had the highest type, the highestincreases. We also tested yellow fever vaccinees by PCR, RNA PCR and DNA PCR for EAV-0 sequences.  We found one out of 180 individuals in which both these tests were positive as plasma on PBNC.  At the moment, we cannot exclude that this was the result of a contamination, but we are working on that.  So I think that the matter is actually not as clear as has been presented by others.

 MS. SHEETS:  Hello. I'm Becky Sheets from FDA.  How would you recommend that avian-derived products be tested for retroviruses?  EM is not very sensitive.  The conventional test is often inhibited by the allantoic fluid, and therefore, is not necessarily a valid test.  How would you recommend, if you don't use a PCR-based RT des?


 DR. ROBERTSON:  At the end of the day, it  would have to be an infectivity assay.  There are also some antigen, ELISAs for the viral antigen.  I don't have experience with those.  I don't know the sensitivity of them.  Ultimately you are looking at an infectivity assay which can be performed even on chick cells, which are positive for RTase.  One could assess for after several passages on chick cells, looking at an increase in RT activity or increase in antigen.

MS. SHEETS:  When you said infectivity test, were you talking about those specific for ALV or  were you talking about general tests to detect any kind of retrovirus?

DR. ROBERTSON:  Well, it would have to be an avian retrovirus if one is performing the assay on chick cells.  Propagating the material, the test material in chick cells but using either RTase in    general or an ELISA specific for ALV test for increased presence of either RT or for the presence of ALV antigen.

CHAIRPERSON RABINOVICH:  Dr. Coffin, the last question?

DR. COFFIN:  Yes.  I'd like to actually  address Dr. Schuepbach's comment.  Did I understand    that you were basing your sero assays on the rationale that there might be cross reactivity between ALV and  retro viruses in HIV?  There is no rational basis for that.  There's virtually no amino acid the same between those two viruses, except for some extremely highly -- you know, three or four in pol and some other places.  Did you actually assay directly for seroreactivity against ALV?  It would have been a much more straight-forward experiment.

 DR. SCHUEPBACH:  We agree that there is no sequence homology on the nucleic acid and on the protein label, but these are the results which we found.  We have to find an explanation for them.  We don't have at the moment.

CHAIRPERSON RABINOVICH:  Thank you, Dr.Robertson.

Our next speaker, Dr. Jorg Schuepbach, from the Swiss National Center for Retrovirology. Induction/activation and detection of occult viral agents that are present in mammalian tissues.

DR. SCHUEPBACH:  May I have the first slide, please?  Okay, from previous remarks, I heard that I was expected to talk about these avian retroviruses as well, but actually I was asked to talk about the induction activation of occult viral agents. So I will just have a few remarks on this other stuff. So occult viral agents are agents you don't detect or at least do not easily detect.  They may include two groups: a group that includes known agents which are present at two low concentrations for easy detection. The reason for these may be latency; The other group consists of unknown agents.  Since we do not have good detection methods for these, they may be present at low or also at higher concentration. Viruses known for their latency or various types of the herpes virus, true, they are latent in various types of non-permissive cells such as neurons cells, monocytes, PBLs, and others.  They are activated from these latent stages by various kinds of stimulation of their host cells by differentiation, agents by the differentiation of precursor cells, to more mature cells.  Again, by other activating agents. Other viruses could be considered in addition to the herpes viruses include the adeno viruses, the adeno-associated virus and the pathyloma and polyoma viruses of which we heard yesterday, and will hear more in a subsequent talk.  Regarding the RNA viruses, I might discuss the measle viruses and of course the retroviruses.  When we look at the mechanisms by which we can activate these various viruses, it is mostly by activation of their host cells, by cell stimulation, by induction of cell differentiation of these cells, and then by co-cultivation with cells which are permissive for replication. Now since we have different viruses and host cells systems, these methods vary greatly among the different viruses.  If you have unknown viruses, you really don't know what to do. So the effect of such activation would be that from a lonely latently infected cell, by inducement of replication, a virus would spread throughout the culture, resulting in virus gene amplification in production of viral proteins. So this would make of course the detection easy. You might also have some pathogenicity which is easy to detect. However, our goal is actually not detecting any possible virus that might be present. The principal goal is to provide a virus production system which is free of such agents. It is suggested here the easiest way of achieving this is actually cellular cloning.  Because if you have an agent that is present in only a minority of the cells, the chances that you derive a clone that is free of these agents is very high. If by chance you hit an infected cell, the descendants of that cell will all carry along the virus and of course then we come into a situation which makes detection of unknown viruses and also known viruses much easier because either all of the cells will be infected or none at all. So cellular cloning, if we hit an infected cell, has actually a viral gene amplification effect which is comparable to virus induction activation if it's successful. Most importantly, it is a procedure that works for all the latent viruses except endogenous retroviruses, but these are present anyway in all of the cells.  So going on to the detection methods for these agents, let's first talk about known viruses. Since all the cells will be infected, we actually do not need the most sensitive procedures.  We do not need procedures that detect the single viral copy. What we need is broadly reactive methods which go detect all the different members of a certain virus group.  So I think techniques, old-fashioned techniques like hybridization techniques on the low stringency or if we want to use PCR or nucleic acid based methods, we should take care that we take a lot of different probes, use data generated primus, multiplex PCR and so on. Of course in addition, we should also do the classical methods, doing cell activation and co-cultivation as permissive cells, the routine detection methods of broadly reactive antibodies which detect all the different members. For those who think that what I have told so far is rubbish, and that we actually do need very sensitive methods, I offer the mega PCR, which has also been named catcher PCR by others. The purpose of this method is to take very rare sequences among a very high background of DNA or RNA.  So here we convert the samples of up to 500, maybe even 1 milligram of DNA or respectively RNA. The principle is very simple.  We use biotinylated capture probes which bind to these sequences inquest.  We isolate these complexes on coded beads, wash the rest of the DNA away, and them amplify these by PCR with primus which are located outside of this capture probe.The advantage of this is that we absolutely do have no carry over because the amplicons are selected against when we do the capturing.  It is this type of test which I would actually like to have  been seen when testing in the question of xenotransplantation where the PERV sequences can be  found in humans which have received pork material. I think this will be the test, to test these questions. Now using this method, it's actually very sensitive. You can detect a single copy here of HIV DNA.  We still have double positive signal, is about one copy.  This serial dilution was done in the proper range here.  The fact that in these two, three last dilutions only one of the two duplicates was positive clearly demonstrates that we are in a Poisson distribution. So we can detect the single copy with this method in 100 microgram. DNA, we have actually demonstrated that there's 95 percent probability we can detect three double standard HIV copies in 100 micrograms of DNA. So now going on to the exclusion of unknown viruses, and I will talk about retroviruses  later, we can actually use the same procedures as I have already described previously.  We just have to take care that we really have broadly reactive methods.  This is true for molecular based tests as well as for the more classical procedures.  Now coming to retrovirus detection, of course also of cell cloning, here we have two situations, the exogenous retrovirus may not be present in none of the cells or in all of the cells.

 The endogenous retroviruses were always present in all of the cells.The known exogenous retroviruses are detectible by tests for conserved sequences. Of course you might also use universal pool primers for unknown retroviruses -- because of the endogenous retroviruses.  Not all of which, or very few of which are actually harmful. So I think it is better at this time to switch from the analysis of cells to the analysis of particles.  This is best done by the PERT assay which

has been mentioned before by several speakers. Now when we devised this test in 1992, we devised it as an anti-family of related tests which would have in common that reversed inscriptase present in a sample would be used to create from a template primer combination and nucleic acid that is to be unamplified.  Now in most instances, this will simply be the cDNA.  There are other possibilities as well.  You can take any nucleic amplification procedure, not just PCR.  You may also use ligase chain reaction or NASPA or you can make use of auto replicated DNAs or RNAs in order to generate amplification product, which can then be assayed by different methods.  So since we have provided for all these different methods already in 1992, we do not think that it is necessary to invent new names for these current assays. Now this test is actually very sensitive. This experiment in comparison to classical RT assay. It occurred as six to seven orders of magnitude more sensitive, and in a direct comparison with -- in the case of HIV, where we compared the method with RT PCR, detecting one copy of cDNA, we had the same dilution endpoints for two different samples.  Actually as others, we can detect only a few particles in the case of HIV.  We believe that in some cases we can detect even less than one particle.  Now this is one of the theories taken from  the Joerg Koenig paper in 1996, where we demonstrated that the measles vaccines, the mumps vaccines, the yellow fever vaccines, and the MMR vaccines all contain activity which is about three orders of magnitude higher than the background here on other vaccines, and were negative. Now in order to identify the viruses behind these activities, we along with the PERT assay, developed the method for the identification of unknown  retroviruses. It is based on three properties of old retroviruses, namely, that they all are  polyadenylated, that R sequences are repeated at both ends, and that cDNA synthesis has started here at the primer, binding site, and that for primers, tRNAase are used and the use of such tRNAase is actually very much restricted among the various retroviruses. For example, is just four PRNA primer equivalence.  You can start cDNA synthesis for all exogenous retroviruses known today. So what we do is that we bind the retroviral RNA to poly t coated beads.  Then we start here, the synthesis of the cDNA with one of the various t RNA primers, synthesizing the strongest of DNA. Then adding a tail here, and then with anchoredTCR, we can amplify this sequence and submit the sequencing directly.

 Actually this method has also been used by the group of Dr. Loewer at the Paul Ehrlich Institute,2    and even published before us.  But we have somehow optimized this procedure, so in general we need less than one-thousand RNA sequences, sometimes as few as 20 or 40, 50, in order to generate this sequence here.  As soon as you have it, you actually know whether you are dealing with a retrovirus or not.  When you deal with a retrovirus, you have to R sequence and then you can check with the other anchored PCR.  Where there is R here, it's repeated at the three prime end.  If it is, you can then amplify the entire genome with a little bit of luck by long PCR. So this is what we use to identify this EIV-O sequence.  We have also done some other work. For example, we investigated the NIH 323 cell line. This was negative by convention RT tests, but positive by PERT assay.  We had a nice band in sucrose, and then radiant.  Using this procedure which we call parar, we identified 23 different products, 15 of these were actually retroviral sequences from four different groups.  Three of them were unknown sequences, at least at that time.  So far we have not further characterized these sequences, but this is still awaiting.  Now staying with retroviruses, as Dr. Coffin pointed out yesterday, sometimes if you have a cell line here, you are dealing with melanoma cell lines which were found to be highly percipated by PERT assay.  We analyzed what was in there.  It turns out to be endogenous murine leukemia virus, and later we were told that these cell lines have actually been  passaged in mice. If you have low titres of activity, then that becomes a little bit more complicated. This is the analysis of primary samples from a patient with MC cor cultures.  No actually not cor cultures, just cor cultures which were found lowly positive in the PERT assay with activity in the order of two, maybe three times above background.  Here the patterns is a little bit more complicated.  You have here a small peak that might correspond in density to ritualized particles.  This one might correspond to cor particles.  You have another identified -- unidentified peak here.  It will certainly be a challenge to find out what this stuff is. Next, please.  This is another example of a primary culture where we have a very short peak at the higher density.  This might be for particles, could be a different retrovirus, a different virus, or just a subcellular particles containing some cell or enzymes. Now you will say that this test of course detects only retroviruses that are released.  We are also worried about retroviruses that are inside the cells, so stimulation may be necessary. Actually I think one important question is or one possibility is that actually the vaccine virus we would like to produce in such a cell might activate latent proviruses.  So I think it is important that we actually do not just test the virus production systems while uninfected, but also when this seed virus has been added, and then we harvest the virus.  Now in some cases, as in the measles virus or so, this has proven very easy.  We had quite a good specificity.  But in other cases, it might be more difficult as indicated in this example, where we tested a vaccine, experimental vaccinia, recombinant vaccinia virus vaccine against melanoma.  This was found highly positive by PERT.  It had actually been produced by just the lysing, the infected cells by ultrasonication. What we now find is here in black, is the vaccinia virus DNA two peaks.  We have here a major peak of RT activity which does not coincide with the vaccinia virus peaks, and also is not characteristic of retroviruses.  So I think in this case, we can rule out the presence of a retrovirus.  Now it may also be interesting to find out whether upon induction, viruses might come out.  So this would add an increase of safety to the vaccine. As retroviruses are regulated, you have the promoter in anti sequences in the upstream LTR in the U3 region.  Depending on the cell type, activation state of the cell and the differentiation, you have various sets of transcription favors interacting with these enhancer regions. In addition to this balance of positive and negative transcription factors, you may have positional effects as the chromatin structure or the DNA methylation.  You may now try to influence this balance by tipping it by either inducing mitosis cell differentiation by substances that lock inhibitors or by alleviating the negative positional effects, again by inducing mitosis or by inducing DNA de methylation. The number of induces have been described in the past.  The most important ones are listed here at the top, allogenated pyrimidins, the azacytidine, which only both of them working only in infected, cells.  I will not mention the others because of the lack of time. Now it depends a lot on the virus whether azacytidine or the deoxy pyrimidine is preferable. For example, in experiment in cell line where two types of different retroviruses are produced, several type A particles here.  The azacytidine is certainly better.  But in C-type particles, these cells produced IdUdr.  Yes, the IdUdr is better.  So you might have to use a combination of these two drugs.  So in conclusion, I think induction activation certainly serves to amplify latent viruses for which improved detection.  I think it is more important that we early in the process of selecting virus production systems be cloned B cells, and sub-cloned, because this will amplify, because this really facilitates detection very much. In consequence of this, we do not -- I think this is very important.  We do not need the most sensitive procedures.  What we need is broadly reactive procedures which will detect all the different agents. I also think that at the end, the only important thing actually when dealing with   adventitious agents, not just with DNA, which might be infectious, is that the vaccine is free of these contaminant viruses and for retroviruses I believe that this can be verified by the PERV assay.  Thank you.   (Applause.)

CHAIRPERSON RABINOVICH:  We'll take just a couple of questions because I would like to leave  the rest for the panel discussion.


DR. COFFIN:  John Coffin.  I would agree that if you get preparations of vaccines that are negative by all these assays, you can have a pretty good level of confidence that they are not contaminated with retro viruses.  The problem is, if you do these enough, it may well be that no vaccine will pass these tests.  What I think is very important to add to this would be one more level to your last slide.  That is an infectivity step.  As in the example we saw before when one perhaps collects a panel of cells or cell lines which are pert negative, and there seems to be reasonable numbers of those, and then test the vaccine, the induced stuff and everything else by infectivity and induction of pert activity on those cells. I think that would be a much more useful and reliable test for the presence of viruses that might be problematic than simply looking at the pert activity in preparations with cell soups.


DR. SCHUEPBACH:  Yes, I agree with you. I actually thought that was included in those   conventional methods which I have listed for the known viruses.  Of course you should also do some studies for retro viruses.


AUDIENCE MEMBER:  You mentioned results associated with particles from supernatants of primary human materials.  Did you try to find retro virus-like sequences in these particles for para assay?

DR. SCHUEPBACH:  Yes.  These are very recent results.  We are in the process of doing that.
 
DR. KRAUSE:  Phil Krause, FDA.  One of the issues in testing vaccine products is obviously what

tests are available and have been validated and that we understand the sensitivity of.  So I guess in the context of thinking of highly conserved sequences to which we might develop primers that could detect a broad array of viruses, including some unknown related viruses, what can you say about the current state of the art?  How good is that?  How well has that been validated?  Is that something which if we decided tomorrow we wanted to apply that to new vaccines producing neoplastic cells, we could simply say "let's do it" or is more work required?


DR. SCHUEPBACH:  I'm actually not very familiar with other viruses than retro viruses.  But I think these things, however they exist, should clearly be developed.


CHAIRPERSON RABINOVICH:  Thank you.  We will go onto our next speaker, Dr. Jens Mayer, from the University of Pennsylvania.  The status of HERV in human cells.


DR. MAYER:  Okay.  My talk will deal with-- can I have the first slide, please?  Okay.  My talk  will tell you something, I hope, about the status of  these human endogenous retrovirus regarding the coding capacity and the expressions.  Just again, it was mentioned before already what is actually an endogenous retro virus.  HERV is created by the germs of infection of an exogenous retro virus.  This leads to radical inheritance of this newly created virus following generations.  In the course of the evolution, it will be also inherited to newly arising species.  The human genome, like all mammal genomes, and also some invertebrates, invertebrate genomes where it has been shown, contains several families of elements and so on.  It has been estimated that about one percent of the human genome of such retro origin. These elements antiquated already several million years ago through the genomes of human predecessor species.  Some present for at least 30 million years. Some have been shown to be present for at least 40 million years.  We have several indications of different various families.  So they were independent of several exogenous retro viruses. Some of these elements that are now present in the human genome existed.  Single copy, and some have copies, copy numbers up to 1,000, per haploid genome. But as I said, most of these sequences were already present for a long time.  Therefore were targets for mutations.  Most of these families then became coding deficient or they do no longer encode for retro R proteins. However, even if they are coding deficient, many of these families are still transcribed in several human tissues. Some have been discolored just by virtue of their expression. It also seems that the expression of these sequences is regulated in certain tissues and tumors,so we heard that there might be an deregulation of families.  It seems possible that that deregulation mechanism is not present in certain tumor tissues. Just a word regarding the nomenclature of these sequences. The tRNA that was originally used in the priming of the transcription process, the life cycle of the exogenous vaporized, and according to the amino acid and tRNA codes for, and this single code for the amino acid stands dependent.  This is just one possible nomenclature of perts.  It's still very confusing.  I said that most retro viruses are coding, HERVs are coding deficient.  However, there are some good described examples, especially some new examples of coding in tact HERV sequences.  At least there are some in tact genes.  We have already known for a long time the so-called ERV-3 sequence that belongs to the R-family.  This, we agreed, pro-virus, or pro-virus sequence encodes, and 1.9 KBN open reading frame.  That open reading frame is highly regulated to the transformation of trophoplasts into sensitio- trophoplasts in the placenta.  So we have here clearly an up-regulation during a developmental stage. We have for instance, you have H-family and we have about 1,000 copies of that H-family.  Among them are 100 copies that are still in tact regarding the pro-virus structures.  They have an LTR gag pol env, LTR structure remaining 900 lack N gene.  There has also been reported that this HERV-H families are expressed in various cell lines.  We see the highest expression for these elements has been   reported in cell lines that are derived from germ cell tumors, and germ cell tumors I guess you will hear some more about germ cell tumors later on.  Just this year, Lindeskog, Mark Lindeskog  reported the isolation of an intact HERV-H env gene.  So it is now clear that there is within the human genome one intact HERV-H evn gene.  It's not know so far whether there are any among these many sequences, whether there are any intact gag of pol sequences. I would like to mention the new discovered  HERV-W family that has originally been reported, has been isolated from retro virus by particles from multiple sclerosis patients. It has also been reported that these HERV-W sequences are up-regulated in the placenta. Joni Blanc also reported this year the isolation of an intact HERV-W in the genes.  It is also not known whether there are intact gag pol genes.  I would like to in the second part of my    talk, report about results for our family of clearly outlines from our other HERV families in the coding capacity. This is the so-called HERV-K HML-2 family. This is quite complicated. The human genome contains several families that use lycine primer binding site or TRNA for primer binding. They were named human MMTV-like sequences, one through six.  The family that we are talking about is reported in more detail by Ono and co-workers and  the original sequence was the so-called HERV-K 10 sequence, which is by the new nomenclature is the HERV-K HML-2 sequence. We have reached about 25 to 50 copies of that HERV family is present in old world monkeys, but not in new world monkeys.  One concludes that family is present for at least 30 million years in the genomes. In the past, there have been reports of isolation of the isolations of intact HERV HML-2 sequences.  So there were reports about intact gag sequence and intact protease sequence has been reported, that is able to process that HERV-K gag protein, intact pol sequences with RT activity, with endonuclease activity, and have been reported and also intact MRNA has been reported from the group from Johannes Loewer.  And also what we heard yesterday evening, there is also an additional splicing product from the N gene, the so-called C-ORF that still has a rav-like function.  What is known already for a longer time is that these particles or the cell lines are derived from germs of tumors or typically testicular tumors of the young man.  These cell lines do produce with rav particles.  Boller and coworkers could show that these particles are encoded by the HML-2 gag protein, labeled antibodies, and recognized that gag protein. If we look at patients suffering from germ cell tumors, we also have some surprising results regarding that HML-2 sequences.  Namely, if we look at the antibody status of these patients compared to controls or other non-germ cell tumor types, we see that mixed germ cell tumors and here especially, seminomas, these patients have very high antibodies directed against HERV-K gag and HERV-K N proteins. These tumors or these antibody titres are already very high if the tumor is clinically detected.  From other results, we also know that the precursors of these tumors, the so-called carcinoma in situ, also expresses already on the RNA level these HERV-K HML-2 sequences.  We were interested to see or to find out where in the genome are these impact genes located that are responsible or that cause finally the production of these gag and env antibodies.  As I said, it has previously already been reported that they are intact genes, but it was not possible because of the high copy number of these sequences to isolate or to at least chromosomally assign these intact genes. We, therefore, tried to chromosomally assign these intact sequences using a combination of the so-7 called protein truncation test and using a  monochromosomal hybrid panels, or panel of human rodent fusions, fusion cells.   We were able to show that there are at least, still at least eight intact gag genes within the human genome, and at least three intact env genes. We did not publish that.  There are also several intact pol genes within the human genome. I just want to show you how we got these numbers.  This is the protein truncation test that has been described by Roest and coworkers in 1993. So it was originally developed for the detection of APC gene carriers that carry it, the APC gene. So the APC lesion is characterized by trends or not completely translated APC proteins.  It is almost like the 3 prime terminus.  So we have three possibilities. One is that both are intact, both genes are intact.  The carrier will carry one defective APC gene. The defective person would carry the two defective genes. The principle of the test is that the coding sequence is PCI amplified, where the protochomo contains the T-7 promoter and the translation initiation sequence. So if this PCI product is then in vitro transcribed and translated and impressed and radiolabeled amino acid, electrophoresed, and then auto radiographed, you will see according to the status of these donors that you will have only full-length proteins, the carryover also show an additional shortened protein and defective people will only produce defective proteins.  We in principle used the same test because we in principle have the same situation. We have some defective gag genes within the genome. There must be at least one gag or env gene because we have the    antibodies.  So we put -- in principle used the same test.  What we did was we are looking for the presence of full-length gag genes or env genes on the human chromosomes and then tested the PCI product we got from the chromosomes for their coding capacity. This is the result for the gag coding capacity.  So gag protein would result in a protein of about 73 kilodaltons.  So these are controls that give the respective proteins.  You see that there are several human chromosomes that contain or produce a full-length protein.  There are eight human chromosomes that contain at least one gag gene that contains four full-length proteins. I also would like to mention that we are also able to demonstrate the defective gag genes if we see here, these proteins that are just smaller than expected.  These are very likely the gag genes that are defective.  Stop codons within the coding sequence. We did the same for the HERV-K env genes. We see here that three chromosomes produce a protein  of about 76 kilodaltons.  These are the chromosomes 7, 15, 19 in here on the chromosome. 

 What we also see in the gag experiments is that there are additional env genes that are only on the almost intact.  We have here a protein that is about four kilodaltons more.  So this actually could also be considered as an intact reading frame.  So we have several human chromosomes that still contain gag and env genes.  We have three chromosomes that contain both intact gag and env genes, the chromosome 7, 19, and the Y chromosome.  We were interested whether these chromosomes or the intact genes on these chromosomes are derived or located within one provirus or within several or different positions within the particular chromosome.  I would like to report or tell you something about what we found out for the chromosome 7.  We were using for addressing that question, we were using a chromosome-specific, chromosome-7 specific cosmid library.  We were screening for clones that contained both gag and env sequences. What we finally found out, that we isolated the so far least defective human endonuclease on chromosome 7.  We were able to characterize the proviral sequence within one cosmid clone that still has intact LTRs.  So they regulate to the elements.  They are able to transcribe, as you will see.  We have  an intact gag gene.  We have an intact protease gene that protease is able to cut itself from a gag protease, polymer precursor protein, and is furthermore able to process encoded gag proteins.  So it's typical retro-ized protease.  We know just from sequence comparison, one can deduce that the endonuclease within the polymer genes also acted just by sequence comparison, no significant changes compared to recently described active K in the nuclease.  We have an intact env gene.  This intact env gene sequence has already been described by Johannes Loewer's group as an MRA, which  also shows that this sequence is actively transcribed. So this is actually an expressed provirus.   We have spliced on the inceptors sides the corresponding position that would allow to splice an M on A, and what we heard yesterday also, to splice an additional soft M RNA.  What we see is that this proviral sequence is only defective in the RT domain.  It has a single-based permutation within the YXDT motif.  So very likely, this highly important catalytic motif is -- so only in reverse transcription function this probably missing from that proviral. Okay.  We have here almost intact proviral sequence.  But now regarding infectivity, we had that already several times I guess before.  We have HERV-encoded retro of particles, several cell lines, even in tissues, the placenta tissue for instance.  We find HERV-RNA in these particles.

We have no infectivity so far shown for any of these HERV sequences.  We do not really know    why.  There are several reasons that can be mentioned for the HML-2 family.  It has to be reported that the env protein cannot be cleaved into the auto membrane transmembrane domains. It is conceivable that they are defective genomes that are packaged into these particles, so only if they would be able to get a new cell, they would only deliver defective genomes.  It is also not clear whether the receptors, that they were once used by that, retro families are still present and would still be used. So what you should take home I guess is that human endogenous are expressed in several tissues tumor types that are highly up-regulated in certain tumor types.  Several HERV families are still able to encode proteins, and among them, the HML-2 family that still encodes all essential proteins.  We have almost intact HML-2 provirus within the human genome.  Thank you.   (Applause.)

 CHAIRPERSON RABINOVICH:  I think we will hold questions at this point.  We are going to take a 10-minute break now.  We are going to come back and finish with the last two speakers. I need to figure out how to catch up time, and yet leave the time for the panel discussions.  I ask you to do two things.  Check-out time from the hotel is 12:00.  You should know that.  They have already called in a bunch of the taxis so that if you need taxi arrangement, please let them know so they can do that for you.  Ten minutes we will start again. (Whereupon, the foregoing matter went off the record at 9:55 a.m. and went back on the record at 10:10 a.m.)  

CHAIRPERSON RABINOVICH:  Is Dr. Broker here?  Great. If you could take a seat please.  The next speaker is Dr. Thomas Broker from the University of Alabama at Birmingham speaking on viral latency-papilloma virus model.


DR. BROKER:  Thank you very much.  I would like to deal with two subjects under this topic.  The    first is a study of the prevalence of HPV in the general population, and then following on Dr. Mayer's pattern that you just heard, a study of some endogenous sequences in papilloma virus transformed cell lines with some surprising results. We have done some inside 2 hybridization studies of the expression of human papilloma viruses in biopsies from women with HIV/AIDS who were moderately immuno deficient.  This is one example, but fairly typical.  What you are seeing is a full thickness of across the cervix.  The various probes that we used reveal the expression of one of the major early transcripts of papilloma virus, the E4, E5.  You are seeing it here in bright field illumination and dark field, matched pairs, basal layers right there.  As I indicated yesterday evening, papilloma transcription is differentiation dependent and occurs typically in the upper half of the skin. E6, E7 messages, the delayed early oncogenes are hard to see in bright field, but fairly easy to see in dark field.  You can see they follow a comparable distribution. The capsid component, L1 or L2, again, is right at the very top of the last live layers of the epithelium.  Also to the point, the vegetative amplification of viral DNA is in the upper half of the epithelium.  Papilloma infections of the genital tract in fact have been designated an official AIDS-defining illness in the syndrome because of the significant upregulation of HPV gene expression in women who have AIDS or other immuno deficiencies.  With that knowledge in hand, and pictures like this, we undertook the following study. We decided to investigate the prevalence of HPB in the population by focusing on immuno-deficient groups.  The three that we have chosen so far are: women who are in enstay renal failure and in need of a kidney, and most clearly ill; those then who get a kidney and are pharmacologically immuno-suppressed beyond their underlying illness; and those with AIDS.  The strategy that we're using is an extension of the techniques Steve Wolinsky and I developed really 12 or 13 years ago when we first proposed the use of degenerate primers for looking at related genomes.  The pair that's most commonly used in the papilloma field is our original design called MY911, but Louise Chao and I moved right next door. We found that this region is a little too long to use in form one fixed tissues, and this particular pair has some wonderful restriction fragment polymorphisms available that will allow us to do genotyping after amplification. So basically we start with the nested PCR approach, outer primers and inner primers.  The starting material is cervico vaginal lavage, which harvests cells from throughout the lower genital tract of the women.  We amplify and then we put it through several different assays.  Initially, agarose gel electrophoresis to look for a 278-base amplimer. Secondly, restriction fragment  polymorphisms which usually can tell us which genotype is present.  But if it's a pattern that we cannot recognize, we will put it through sequencing.  As you are going to see, about half of the fragments that we amplify we need to sequence.  The results of this study, I am going to summarize.  It's absolutely mind-boggling.  Seventy four percent of all women in the AIDS cohort have clearly identifiable HPVs.  We have managed to type over 85 percent of these so far.  Fifteen percent are still under investigation.  In more than half the cases, the individuals yield multiple HPV types. The study is longitudinal, and has been going on for three-and-a-half years now.  Many of the members of the cohort have been sampled two up until seven different times at six to 12 month intervals.  So that's our biggest cohort.  These are the renal transplant cohort.  We have statistically significant numbers.  I would like to point out that in instage renal failure, but nopharmacologic suppression, about 59 percent of those women have detectible HPV.  Again, quite a few, a high percentage have multiple infections.  This carries over to that portion of this group who go onto actual transplantation. 

Some of the remarkable outcomes of the care with which we undertook the genotyping is the following.  In the pre-transplant population, the prevalent types are those that are commonly seen in the general population as causing disease, namely HPV- 6, 11, and 16.  Those types persist in those women who were pharmacologically immuno-suppressed.  We see a scattering of other types, but  the common types from prior studies are those that predominate in the renal transplant cohorts.  In contrast, those women who are in various stages of immuno-deficiency as a result of  AIDS, do not show the same genotype profiles.  The only member in common is in fact most common of all  genital HPVs, HPV-6.  What we see instead are niche  homologs of the common types.  For example, HPV-45, as you are going to see, if a close relative of HPV-18, which is often cited as a common virus.  But we don't see that in the AIDS cohort.  HPV-52 is our most common virus.  It is a close homolog of HPV-16, which we don't see amplifying in this cohort.  Most notably are the ones that I indicated by stars, which are a very rare detection within the general population, but in fact are most common viruses in the AIDS cohorts. In particular, we have identified 13 new HPV types based on less than 75 percent sequence homology to each other or to any other known papilloma virus.  They are all members of what has been designated group A-3, which appear to be an AIDS- defining subset of HPVs. These can be at least considered in the context of phylogenetic trees based on sequence  alignments in the L1 region.  So, for example, HPV-16, the main cause of cervical cancer in the world, is seen in the renal cohort, but a very close relative, 52, is seen in AIDS. Six and 11, that cause benign genital warts and laryngeal papillomas are here.  One of the main groups coming up in AIDS is this group of cousins of these guys.  HPV-70 is one of our most common types, as  well as 45.  They are in the HPV-18 family, but represent new members of this niche.  The group I just mentioned, A-3, that is so commonly seen in AIDS, include our members jyn 2, 3, 4, all the way up to 13, MM8 and 61, 72, and 83.  That cluster seems to be an AIDS defining group.  The other ones that we have seen abundantly are 51 and 53 in this arm. Overall, in the Birmingham and generally Alabama population, every virus types seen with the star we have found one up to 23 times, indicating that we have universal presence and also detectibility of all of the known viruses within our immediate population. While this is up here, I also wanted to point out the very large huge group of epidermal dysplasia formus viruses that other labs have studied.  Again, it is a very rare group of illnesses, in fact, only defined a few hundred times in all of medical history in terms of individual patients.  However, there is this huge ramification of somewhat related, but clearly distinct genotypes that comprise the family or subgroup of viruses responsible for EV.It is known that these patients all have particular cell-mediated immune deficiencies.  Again, suggesting that particular arms of the immune system are responsible for either containing or failing to contain different subgroups of the papilloma viruses. As we look at these women over a period of time through these six month or so samples, what we also find, and other labs have exactly the same results, is every time we sample, you may or may not see the type you saw before.  It may switch.  For instance, we have this patient who had 6 plus 16, and then 11 plus one that was minor and we couldn't tell, then jyn 2, and then type 40, and then we had a type 53, but the others disappeared.  Everyone's experience in the field has been that the viruses rise above a detectibility threshold, stay there for a while, days or weeks or months, and then fall below detectibility, only to be replaced by a different HPV type.  These are not new infections.  They are basically cryptic or latent persistent infections that fluctuate in their levelsof replication and detectibility.  Pretty much anybody is showing that flexibility. What I want to state at this moment before  showing the correlation with disease may sound controversial, but I will stick by it.  We have found a brand new HPV type for every 10 people that we have looked at.  Philodelius and Ethel Michelle Diveres and zur Hausen and Shamen in European study of tutanius papilloma viruses have found a new papilloma virus for just about every other person they have looked at when they use the combination of nested PCR and DNA  sequencing.  Robbie Burke's group, Jill Polefski's group, have very comparable experiences looking at anal papillomas or female genital tract. It is my contention right now that instead of 80 HPV genotypes or 150 that have been officially named, that there probably are millions of variants, virtually a continuum.  We feel that basically everybody has their own personal micro flora, that these are passively acquired or vertically acquired, not necessarily sexually, but certainly possibly sexually, and that they simply are part of the human condition as are microflora, just as we have microflora composed of bacteria and many other viruses, and that they basically are utterly ubiquitous.  I will come back to that point in a moment.  We did try to correlate the various other medical parameters in these cohorts, especially the AIDS cohort, with CD4 count, HIV virus load, other infecting known STDs like herpes, chlamydia, trichomonas, so forth.  The one correlate that held up and not surprisingly at all, was that the degree of pap smear abnormality from normal, abnormal cells of unknown significance, low grade dysplagias or high grade dysplagias, is with CD4 count.  The medians, these are all the people who had multiple infections, a high risk virus type, a low risk, no virus at all, and had either normal or these various abnormal pap smears.  These bars here are the median CD4 count in each of these groups.  The one place where we saw active disease, low and high grade dysplagia, these by median, is when people fell below the CD4 count of 200 cells per cubic millimeter.  In summary of that data, we found that it's very very possible to have negative pap smears, but definitely have HPV infections.  We feel these are   people who have not yet reactivated long enough to have resulted in cytologic change as a result of infection.  We have on the other hand, the people with overt disease by biopsy or by cytology, and the higher the grade lesion, the more likely it is to see either single infection or especially multiple virus types present within that patient at that time.  So the more that we can detect the virus, that is, the more it has replicated or amplified throughout the population, the more cells that are shedding the virus in effect, the more likely we see disease.  So to summarize this part of the talk, I feel that they are virtually ubiquitous. They are typically sub-clinical, persist in or latent infections. There are staggeringly large number of genotypes if we take the care to look. I might say that the reason these are typically not found is that people use generic cross-hybridizing probes or have cut off their probe sets.  If you're not probing for something, you are not going to see it.  Most of the viruses in this number 60, 70, 80 and above, are not even present within the commercial probe sets.  So if you aren't probing, you are not going to see them, and you are going to get lower numbers.They can be found throughout the genital tract in 60 to 75 percent of the people that we have looked at who are admittedly good yielders, because they are immuno-compromised, but I think this simply represents the general infection in the population. They can be found in oral and esophageal mucosa.  Utaneious types persist in hair follicles.  There's a wonderful study from Amsterdam by Tershaget and Ingebor Boxman.  She plucked hair follicles, both eyebrow hairs and pubic hair, and 60 to 70 percent of all people harbored EV viruses or other rare virus types in their hair follicles.  No disease, it's just part of the human condition.  I believe they are vertically transmitted perinatally, mother to baby.  Some of them are clearly pre-natal infections.  As we know, there's long-term maintenance that requires viral replication in concert with host replication in the cell cycle.  So what I would like to do now is tell you a little bit about a very unexpected observation we made in Hela cells.  This goes back to last night's talk regarding the structure of the replication complex of HPVs.  As you know, cyclin E is one of the key checkpoints or entries into S phase.  Ectopic expression of cyclin E can speed up entry into S phase, and it can even bypass the need for some of the RB phosphorylation by cyclin D.  It's simply one of the key steps that needs to follow the induction of the DNA replication enzymes.  HPV E7, the viral oncogene that in fact binds RB and can help bypass that step, among the E2F enhenca protein regulated genes is cyclin E itself.  In other words, HPV infection upregulates cyclin E.  So we asked whether the induction of cyclin E is essential for the reactivation of unscheduled cellular DNA synthesis in the upper stratum of squamous cepathelium that differentiated caratinocyde.  I'll just summarize that data. I got you to the point last night where the E1 diheximer, the double helicase held together by the HSP-70 cochaperone protein, is there. The next thing that loads in the study we did with Theresa Wong at Stanford, is the recruitment of the cellular DNA polymerase, and showed direct interactions between the helicase and the catalytic sub-unit of pol alpha, P-180, as well as its P-70 sub- unit. This was the first indication of what P-70 does in the four sub-unit complex of pol alpha, which includes two primary sub-units. The answer is, it brings the polymerase to the ora itself.  The next thing that comes in is cyclin E, CDK-2 complex, that critical S phase entry point.  AS a result of that, what happens is upon cyclin E  finding an appropriately assembled pre-initiation complex, five target proteins are phosphorylated.  They include: the E2 protein, which appears to be displaced by that event; in addition, P-70 helps displace E2.  So the loading of this and the phosphorylation kicks this guy out. Secondly, E1 is phosphorylated.  These two subunits of preliminary salpha that bind directly to E1 are phosphorylated.  When all four of those have been successfully modified, the kinase phosphorylates cyclin E itself, which is displaced and degraded by ubiquitination.  That enables the pre-initiation complex to convert to the elongation complex. In studies with Wade Harper and Jien-Ling Ma at Baylor, two things were done.  The first is together we found that there's a cyclin binding motif that the amino terminal have at the E1 protein, which in fact is shared with a number of other things that bind the cyclin E.  That motif involves an RXL.  That is, an arginine something leucine motif right there. In addition, their candidate phosphorylation cites, the series of serine, serine, serine, and threonine, mutation of any of these, the motif or any of the target phosphorylation cites, diminishes the capacity of cyclin E to convert the pre-initiation complex to an initiation complex.  So the functional requirement for phosphorylation has been verified.  But keep in mind this location.  We'll come back to it in a second.  So we assumed that the consequence of upregulation of cyclin E by E7 gene expression would identify those cells that are capable of supporting papilloma replication.  To our amazement, we found the opposition.  This is our epithelial raft model.  We have done the same in natural papilloma lesions.  Here  we monitored cyclin E expression, over expression in the tissue.  Here's bromo deoxy uridine incorporation or PCNA upregulation.  These are the match. What we found is the cells that had high cyclin E could not replicate.  In fact, they are mutually exclusive with those capable of supporting DNA synthesis. Conversely, PCNA, which is upregulated by papilloma 7 and cyclin E do co-localize.  But we see a number of cells where PCNA is present and there is no cyclin E.  So we have a reciprocal pattern to what we expected. I am just going to very briefly tell you that P-21 cip, one of the inhibitors of cyclin D and cyclin E, is also upregulated by E-7 expression in natural condylomas or in our E-7 expression raft cultures.  You can see those signals in the upper strata again. So we have P-21 upregulation, again, in a subset of cells.  When we look in rafts or in natural papillomas, we see that those cells that have high P-21 are mutually exclusive from those capable of supporting either viral or cellular DNA synthesis.  When we did the third pairwise combination and looked at cyclin E and P-21, we found perfect colocalization of those two. So ironically, the cells that have high cyclin E also have high P-21 and do not support replication.  This was really perplexing, except we did know this inhibited that.  But we assumed cyclin E was in the licensing factor for engaging in replication.  So what we came to feel is the following model: that in the course of unscheduled DNA synthesis reactivation, if cyclin E appeared in the appropriate  timing or sequence or amount, once a pre-initiation complex formed, you would successfully phosphorylate the target proteins, polymorases and E-1 and E-2 proteins, and successfully engage in elongation replication. Conversely, if too much cyclin E appeared and it appeared in an untimely fashion, its inhibitor, P-21, would recognize misassembled complex.  They would cross stabilize.  They would both pile up to high levels, and those would be defective in engaging in elongation. Now we put this all together by asking how does this play into the establishment of immortalized and transformed cells and cancers.  What Wade Harper had found is that when he did pull-down assays with cyclin E to ask in hela cells what binds to cyclin E, almost all the things that came down in the assay was that E-1 protein from the resident HPB-18 in the cell lines.  Up until that point, people had thought the E-1 gene was deleted from hela.  In fact, it's present. The entire length of the E-1 gene is still present in hela.  In fact, is expressed. Now the functional assay that our lab did was that we found that hela cell extracts could not support HPB replication in our cell-free system, that there was a missing factor in hela that the extract needed.  We could put 293 cell extracts or any other cell line that we could find, they would easily complement papilloma replication in vitro.  But anything from hela cHa caski or any other HPB transformed cell line could not support it.  The upshot of the whole thing is that every papilloma transformed cell that we studied expressed a full length E-1 transcript, but in all cases, the transcript had an either frame shift or a stop code on partway through the gene or miss sensed mutations in this vicinity, so that in tact E-1 could not be made.  But in all cases, it made the RXL portion that interacts with cyclin E. So we added a little cyclin E back to hela cell extracts and immediately restored full complementability to those extracts, establishing that the missing thing in hela cells was cyclin E.   So our conclusion is the following.  I think we feel very confident about it.  In the process of immortalizing cells, either natural cancers or attempts at making cell lines, substrates in effect, it's good to have all the upregulation of DNA polymerase, topasomerases, PCNA and so forth, that help rapid cell cyclin.  But the one thing that E-7 upregulates you don't want, is cyclin E.

 So what these natural experiments did, is figured out a way to sequester part, but not all, of the cyclin E by putting in retaining fragments of E-1,capable of mopping up that one product that's upregulated that you don't want to have.  That is, cyclin E.  Brian Van Tine, last night, also indicated there's evidence of some antisense in other papilloma lines like cHa caski, which would again, modulate the amount of E